Cracking down on autonomos

Last post 16-05-2008, 18:53 by ColorCare. 9 replies.
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  •  14-05-2008, 10:26

    Cracking down on autonomos

    Anyone heard anything about this?

    Chatting to a guy today who works for a real estate firm, he's been self employed (like most people down here due to no employer wanting to be tied down to a contract it seems!). A guy walks into the office enquiring about a property (should've realised there was something wrong at that point I guess Wink ) and he helps him out, gives him his business card labelled as the real estate company he "works" for and then the guy asks to see his employment contract. He says he's autonomo and then gets told that he can't be as he works there all the time, had a business card, etc etc and has now been fined

    I assume this is similar to the IR35 thing that hit us contracting back in the UK a while ago but sucks big time. In summary I think it means that you can't work at someone's office fulltime, using their equipment and services, have a business card suggesting you work for them and be autonomo. Guess we'll all have to work from home now then, either that or just be onsite to fix the coffee machine or similar!

    What with them cracking down with Decree 218, businesses shutting down all over the place, huge negative press about Spain and worthless properties things are looking just wonderful aren't they Confused Still, at least it's sunny and hot*

     

     

    *looks at black clouds outside!


  • 35628 in reply to 35626
     14-05-2008, 10:40

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    Before I went freelance I was working full time for a company for over 3 years as autonomo and I was based in their head office using their equipment. But i did have a contract of my services with them rather than a contract of employment. So maybe that is the answer... have a contract drawn up to say that you are providing them a service.

    Well I dont really know much on the subject but thats a little bit of my experience.

    I think most employers are reluctant to offer a contract of employment cos with Spanish laws it is hard to sack someone on a contract of employment. I heard about someone on a contract being asked to leave the company but he refused as he was on a contract. So in the end they had to pay him money to leave, and I think he done quite well out of it... but dont know how true that is.

    Paul

    http://www.paulscottondesign.com 

     

  • 35629 in reply to 35628
     14-05-2008, 11:05

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    I think the issue is we need to find out what law is being broken to result in a fine!
  • 35794 in reply to 35629
     15-05-2008, 19:51

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    I decided to 'relocate' my business entity to Gibraltar due to the restrictions and costs associated with running a small business in Spain and saved a considerable amount of money.  The Spanish regulatory issues alone make it unappealing to be autonomo/self-employed here, but combine that with the savings on accountancy fees and social security payments in Gibraltar, it was an easy decision to make.

  • 35799 in reply to 35794
     15-05-2008, 22:04

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    What were the costs involved in setting up a Gib company ?
  • 35821 in reply to 35799
     16-05-2008, 9:26

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    If you're paying Gib social security I assume you can't get any benefits here/health care?
  • 35825 in reply to 35794
     16-05-2008, 9:47

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    Filed under:
    ColorCare:

    I decided to 'relocate' my business entity to Gibraltar due to the restrictions and costs associated with running a small business in Spain and saved a considerable amount of money.  The Spanish regulatory issues alone make it unappealing to be autonomo/self-employed here, but combine that with the savings on accountancy fees and social security payments in Gibraltar, it was an easy decision to make.



    So I guess you are not resident in Spain then?

    If you live in Spain and work in Spain, the Spanish Government considers your earning to be taxable because your business is centred around Spain. It does not matter if you have 10 offshore companies, most of the offshore tax havens are blacklisted so Spain just ignores them.

    If you live here all year round and your service is based here you may actually be liable for taxes and you know what the Spanish are like about providing proof etc.

    When thinking about "offshore" and "tax paradises", ALWAYS get legal consul from a Spanish Tax Lawyer first if you live in Spain. You might be surprised at the weid laws that exist.


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  • 35881 in reply to 35799
     16-05-2008, 18:44

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    Christian:
    What were the costs involved in setting up a Gib company ?

     

    The actualy costs if you do it yourself rather than using a lawyer it is only 200.00 pound.  If you search 'investGibraltar' online and contact them they are extremely helpful.

  • 35885 in reply to 35821
     16-05-2008, 18:47

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    shinyandy:
    If you're paying Gib social security I assume you can't get any benefits here/health care?

     

    Normally that would be correct, but my wife is employed in Spain so i get spanish healthcare as a spouse.

  • 35886 in reply to 35825
     16-05-2008, 18:53

    Re: Cracking down on autonomos

    craigedmonds:
    ColorCare:

    I decided to 'relocate' my business entity to Gibraltar due to the restrictions and costs associated with running a small business in Spain and saved a considerable amount of money.  The Spanish regulatory issues alone make it unappealing to be autonomo/self-employed here, but combine that with the savings on accountancy fees and social security payments in Gibraltar, it was an easy decision to make.



    So I guess you are not resident in Spain then?

    If you live in Spain and work in Spain, the Spanish Government considers your earning to be taxable because your business is centred around Spain. It does not matter if you have 10 offshore companies, most of the offshore tax havens are blacklisted so Spain just ignores them.

    If you live here all year round and your service is based here you may actually be liable for taxes and you know what the Spanish are like about providing proof etc.

    When thinking about "offshore" and "tax paradises", ALWAYS get legal consul from a Spanish Tax Lawyer first if you live in Spain. You might be surprised at the weid laws that exist.

     

    I am resident in Spain, but the majority of my work is in Gibraltar.  Although when i checked this out, both with my spanish lawyer and the gibraltar government it was'nt an issue.  As long as you declare your spanish earnings in your annual returns the spanish are able to claim a percentage from Gib.  I was sceptical at first, hence the reason i checked it out.  I am comfortable with what i was told and thats why i moved forward.  I wouldnt recommend doing it until you have checked things out for yourself as the circumstances may be different.

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